Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group)

Anyone gotten burned from them?

How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with Purchase Plus)

Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-,

<Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group)

- Anyone gotten burned from them?

- How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with Purchase Plus) -

- Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn. Brian,

Many people constantly ask, "Is this good or is that good? Is this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model for making money?"

Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in an . companies will tell you they've made an X amount of dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- site)

Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and you'll have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the every year. After expenses to the , the leftover to the rep. won't amount to much. This applies to any .

It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the are used as customers of the . Think of it as customers bringing in more customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then read their FAQ section.

-What's Wrong With

If you want to make lots of money in an , throw out your ethics & morality (you don't need them in an ) and start your own .

scam slayer posandrew

Sent via Deja.com Before you buy.

posandrew,

I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I have found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or mostly on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on retailing can make a descent income right from the start.

Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer loyalty doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate income this way and find others that are truly interested in your business and not wowed by some sales pitch.

Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people fail or loss money because of it.

Just my 2 cents -- Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my family. hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news

- In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group)

- - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with Purchase - Plus) - -

- - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- Brian,

- Many people constantly ask, "Is this good or is that good? Is - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model - for making money?"

- Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in - an . companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the - *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - site) -

- Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and you'll - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - every year. After expenses to the , the leftover to the rep. - won't amount to much. This applies to any .

- It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the are used as - customers of the . Think of it as customers bringing in more - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then - read their FAQ section.

- -What's Wrong With

- If you want to make lots of money in an , throw out your ethics & - morality (you don't need them in an ) and start your own .

- scam slayer posandrew

- Sent via Deja.com - Before you buy.

I would have to agree with toadstool that if the focus is on retailing there is enough money to be made in MLMs live on comfortably. What happens is the retail customers eventually become distributors and learn from how they were taught by their upline.

Shelle

toadstool wrote: - posandrew,

- I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I have - found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or mostly - on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on retailing - can make a descent income right from the start.

- Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer loyalty - doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate income - this way and find others that are truly interested in your business and not - wowed by some sales pitch.

- Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people fail or - loss money because of it.

- Just my 2 cents - -- - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my - family. - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group)

- - - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with Purchase - - Plus) - - -

- - - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- - Brian,

- - Many people constantly ask, "Is this good or is that good? Is - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model - - for making money?"

- - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in - - an . companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the - - *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - - site) - -

- - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and you'll - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - - every year. After expenses to the , the leftover to the rep. - - won't amount to much. This applies to any .

- - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the are used as - - customers of the . Think of it as customers bringing in more - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then - - read their FAQ section.

- - -What's Wrong With

- - If you want to make lots of money in an , throw out your ethics & - - morality (you don't need them in an ) and start your own .

- - scam slayer posandrew

- - Sent via Deja.com - - Before you buy.

Shelle,

Then again, if one would rather retail , then it'd be much more profitable to retail a product with a higher profit margin. In an , you have to have a lower profit margin for your own sales because the has to pay everyone else in the "pyramid". So just use a "single-level" marketing system and you'll make more money. There's no need for an if you retail.

posandrew

kar@uswest.net wrote: - I would have to agree with toadstool that if the focus is on retailing there is - enough money to be made in MLMs live on comfortably. What happens is the - retail customers eventually become distributors and learn from how they were - taught by their upline.

- Shelle

- toadstool wrote:

- - posandrew,

- - I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I have - - found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or mostly - - on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on retailing - - can make a descent income right from the start.

- - Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer loyalty - - doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate income - - this way and find others that are truly interested in your business and not - - wowed by some sales pitch.

- - Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people fail or - - loss money because of it.

- - Just my 2 cents - - -- - - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my - - family. - - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - - - In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - - - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group)

- - - - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - - - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with Purchase - - - Plus) - - - -

- - - - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- - - Brian,

- - - Many people constantly ask, "Is this good or is that good? Is - - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that - - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model - - - for making money?"

- - - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in - - - an . companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is - - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the - - - *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - - - site) - - -

- - - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and you'll - - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - - - every year. After expenses to the , the leftover to the rep. - - - won't amount to much. This applies to any .

- - - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the - - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The - - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the - - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the are used as - - - customers of the . Think of it as customers bringing in more - - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then - - - read their FAQ section.

- - - -What's Wrong With

- - - If you want to make lots of money in an , throw out your ethics & - - - morality (you don't need them in an ) and start your own .

- - - scam slayer posandrew

- - - Sent via Deja.com - - - Before you buy. Sent via Deja.com Before you buy.

On this one I have to disagree. The primary reason for an is to build your network of distributors. That is where you can create the long term income. You can't do that in traditional retailing. There is no such thing as customer loyalty. If you go the route of traditional retailing, you are constantly trying to secure a new customer base. Very unstable and quite a lot of money.

In an that is focused on retailing, you build both the retail and the networking together. If one fails or slides off, you have the other to back you up. Because you have that safety net, it saves you time and money (if done right.) Many people either refuse to learn this or are never taught.

-- Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my family. hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news

- Shelle,

- Then again, if one would rather retail , then it'd be much more - profitable to retail a product with a higher profit margin. In an , - you have to have a lower profit margin for your own sales because the - has to pay everyone else in the "pyramid". So just use a - "single-level" marketing system and you'll make more money. There's no - need for an if you retail.

- posandrew

- kar@uswest.net wrote: - - I would have to agree with toadstool that if the focus is on - retailing there is - - enough money to be made in MLMs live on comfortably. What happens is - the - - retail customers eventually become distributors and learn from how - they were - - taught by their upline.

- - Shelle

- - toadstool wrote:

- - - posandrew,

- - - I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I - have - - - found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or - mostly - - - on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on - retailing - - - can make a descent income right from the start.

- - - Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer - loyalty - - - doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate - income - - - this way and find others that are truly interested in your business - and not - - - wowed by some sales pitch.

- - - Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people - fail or - - - loss money because of it.

- - - Just my 2 cents - - - -- - - - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for - me and my - - - family. - - - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - - - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - - - - - In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - - - - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - - - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group) -

- - - - - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - - - - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with - Purchase - - - - Plus) - - - - -

- - - - - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- - - - Brian,

- - - - Many people constantly ask, "Is this good or is that - good? Is - - - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question - that - - - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business - model - - - - for making money?"

- - - - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the - money in - - - - an . companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What - matters is - - - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that - runs the - - - - *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - - - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - - - - - site) - - - -

- - - - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and - you'll - - - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - - - - - every year. After expenses to the , the leftover to the - rep. - - - - won't amount to much. This applies to any .

- - - - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on - the - - - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to - gain. The - - - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the - - - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the are - used as - - - - customers of the . Think of it as customers bringing in more - - - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - - - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, - then - - - - read their FAQ section.

- - - - -What's Wrong With

- - - - If you want to make lots of money in an , throw out your - ethics & - - - - morality (you don't need them in an ) and start your own .

- - - - scam slayer posandrew

- - - - Sent via Deja.com - - - - Before you buy.

- Sent via Deja.com - Before you buy.

toadstool,

I though Avon and Mary Kay were MLMs. I assume that they have loyal customer bases. The idea is to have a product that customer will buy, then convert the customers into distributors.

Shelle

toadstool wrote: - On this one I have to disagree. The primary reason for an is to build - your network of distributors. That is where you can create the long term - income. You can't do that in traditional retailing. There is no such thing - as customer loyalty. If you go the route of traditional retailing, you are - constantly trying to secure a new customer base. Very unstable and quite a - lot of money.

- In an that is focused on retailing, you build both the retail and the - networking together. If one fails or slides off, you have the other to back - you up. Because you have that safety net, it saves you time and money (if - done right.) Many people either refuse to learn this or are never taught.

- -- - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my - family. - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - Shelle,

- - Then again, if one would rather retail , then it'd be much more - - profitable to retail a product with a higher profit margin. In an , - - you have to have a lower profit margin for your own sales because the - - has to pay everyone else in the "pyramid". So just use a - - "single-level" marketing system and you'll make more money. There's no - - need for an MLM if you retail.

- - posandrew

- - kar@uswest.net wrote: - - - I would have to agree with toadstool that if the focus is on - - retailing there is - - - enough money to be made in MLMs live on comfortably. What happens is - - the - - - retail customers eventually become distributors and learn from how - - they were - - - taught by their upline.

- - - Shelle

- - - toadstool wrote:

- - - - posandrew,

- - - - I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I - - have - - - - found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or - - mostly - - - - on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on - - retailing - - - - can make a descent income right from the start.

- - - - Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer - - loyalty - - - - doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate - - income - - - - this way and find others that are truly interested in your business - - and not - - - - wowed by some sales pitch.

- - - - Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people - - fail or - - - - loss money because of it.

- - - - Just my 2 cents - - - - -- - - - - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for - - me and my - - - - family. - - - - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - - - - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - - - - - - - In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - - - - - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - - - - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group) - -

- - - - - - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - - - - - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with - - Purchase - - - - - Plus) - - - - - -

- - - - - - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- - - - - Brian,

- - - - - Many people constantly ask, "Is this MLM good or is that MLM - - good? Is - - - - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question - - that - - - - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business - - model - - - - - for making money?"

- - - - - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the - - money in - - - - - an MLM. MLM companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - - - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What - - matters is - - - - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that - - runs the - - - - - MLM *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - - - - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - - MLM - - - - - site) - - - - -

- - - - - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and - - you'll - - - - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - - company - - - - - every year. After expenses to the company, the leftover to the - - rep. - - - - - won't amount to much. This applies to any MLM company.

- - - - - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on - - the - - - - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to - - gain. The - - - - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the MLM - - - - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the MLM company are - - used as - - - - - customers of the MLM. Think of it as customers bringing in more - - - - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - - - - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - - - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, - - then - - - - - read their FAQ section.

- - - - - -What's Wrong With MLM

- - - - - If you want to make lots of money in an MLM, throw out your - - ethics & - - - - - morality (you don't need them in an MLM) and start your own MLM.

- - - - - scam slayer posandrew

- - - - - Sent via Deja.com - - - - - Before you buy.

- - Sent via Deja.com - - Before you buy.

Occasionally you will find one or two loyal customers, but many in those fields (beauty products) will still switch from one brand to the next. In that area, I think it has very little to do with price, but more to do with *style* (for lack of a better word.)

Walk into any high class department store and see what kind of beauty products they offer and see who is buying them. Those women want the best, they buy often and they switch brands looking for the best quality product. They may stick with something for a while, but switch as soon as something better comes along.

There is too much competition in every market today for anyone to fool themselves into believing they have a solid customer base. This is not a bad thing. If you are aware of it, you can take the necessary precautions to not be affected by it.

-- Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my family. hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB Roy and Shelle Kareus <kar@pop.slkc.uswest.net- wrote in news

- toadstool,

- I though Avon and Mary Kay were MLMs. I assume that they have loyal customer - bases. The idea is to have a product that customer will buy, then convert the - customers into distributors.

- Shelle

- toadstool wrote:

- - On this one I have to disagree. The primary reason for an mlm is to build - - your network of distributors. That is where you can create the long term - - income. You can't do that in traditional retailing. There is no such thing - - as customer loyalty. If you go the route of traditional retailing, you are - - constantly trying to secure a new customer base. Very unstable and quite a - - lot of money.

- - In an mlm that is focused on retailing, you build both the retail and the - - networking together. If one fails or slides off, you have the other to back - - you up. Because you have that safety net, it saves you time and money (if - - done right.) Many people either refuse to learn this or are never taught.

- - -- - - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for me and my - - family. - - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - - - Shelle,

- - - Then again, if one would rather retail , then it'd be much more - - - profitable to retail a product with a higher profit margin. In an MLM, - - - you have to have a lower profit margin for your own sales because the - - - company has to pay everyone else in the "pyramid". So just use a - - - "single-level" marketing system and you'll make more money. There's no - - - need for an MLM if you retail.

- - - posandrew

- - - kar@uswest.net wrote: - - - - I would have to agree with toadstool that if the focus is on - - - retailing there is - - - - enough money to be made in MLMs live on comfortably. What happens is - - - the - - - - retail customers eventually become distributors and learn from how - - - they were - - - - taught by their upline.

- - - - Shelle

- - - - toadstool wrote:

- - - - - posandrew,

- - - - - I would have to agree with most of what you have said. However, I - - - have - - - - - found that what you say is true primarily when the focus is only or - - - mostly - - - - - on networking. Any individual that puts most of their focus on - - - retailing - - - - - can make a descent income right from the start.

- - - - - Is retailing a long term way of creating income? No, customer - - - loyalty - - - - - doesn't exist in this day and age. But you will make an immediate - - - income - - - - - this way and find others that are truly interested in your business - - - and not - - - - - wowed by some sales pitch.

- - - - - Unfortunately most MLMs are not presented this way and many people - - - fail or - - - - - loss money because of it.

- - - - - Just my 2 cents - - - - - -- - - - - - Would you like a home-based business? Ask me what is working for - - - me and my - - - - - family. - - - - - hidetat@yahoo.com?subject=HBB - - - - - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote in news - - - - - - - - - - - In article <81417a$1@r02n01.cac.psu.edu-, - - - - - - <Bri@psu.edu- wrote: - - - - - - - Has anyone heard of PPBG? (Purchase Plus Buyers Group) - - -

- - - - - - - Anyone gotten burned from them?

- - - - - - - How about New World Marketing? (works in conjunction with - - - Purchase - - - - - - Plus) - - - - - - -

- - - - - - - Just reply to this post in the website so everyone can learn.

- - - - - - Brian,

- - - - - - Many people constantly ask, "Is this MLM good or is that MLM - - - good? Is - - - - - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question - - - that - - - - - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business - - - model - - - - - - for making money?"

- - - - - - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the - - - money in - - - - - - an MLM. MLM companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - - - - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What - - - matters is - - - - - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that - - - runs the - - - - - - MLM *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - - - - - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro- - - - MLM - - - - - - site) - - - - - -

- - - - - - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and - - - you'll - - - - - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the - - - company - - - - - - every year. After expenses to the company, the leftover to the - - - rep. - - - - - - won't amount to much. This applies to any MLM company.

- - - - - - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on - - - the - - - - - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to - - - gain. The - - - - - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the MLM - - - - - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the MLM company are - - - used as - - - - - - customers of the MLM. Think of it as customers bringing in more - - - - - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - - - - - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - - - - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, - - - then - - - - - - read their FAQ section.

- - - - - - -What's Wrong With MLM

- - - - - - If you want to make lots of money in an MLM, throw out your - - - ethics & - - - - - - morality (you don't need them in an MLM) and start your own MLM.

- - - - - - scam slayer posandrew

- - - - - - Sent via Deja.com - - - - - - Before you buy.

- - - Sent via Deja.com - - - Before you buy.

In article <814jed$d7@nnrp1.deja.com-, posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote:

- Many people constantly ask, "Is this MLM good or is that MLM good? Is - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model - for making money?"

- Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in - an MLM. MLM companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the - MLM *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro-MLM - site) -

- Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and you'll - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the company - every year. After expenses to the company, the leftover to the rep. - won't amount to much. This applies to any MLM company.

- It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the MLM - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the MLM company are used as - customers of the MLM. Think of it as customers bringing in more - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then - read their FAQ section.

- -What's Wrong With MLM

- If you want to make lots of money in an MLM, throw out your ethics & - morality (you don't need them in an MLM) and start your own MLM.

- scam slayer posandrew It's not an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. You're assuming that all purchases are internal and no retail sales are being made. You are also including product/service consumption as a business expense and a factor in "profit" determination. There are a number of MLM businesses where people can make substantial amounts of money retailing products without having to sponsor another person into the business.

I haven't seen this link before: I'm glad to see the average for my company to be one of the best (I didn't do the calculations for all of them). $160,000,000 in sales and only 37,000 reps equals an average of $4,200 per rep. Amway is only $1,400 per rep.

Glen -- Timing is Everything! "#13 best small company in America." --Forbes Magazine Nov 1, 1999 Just ask me.

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In article <8190ig$7s@nnrp1.deja.com-, Glen Palo <glenp@my-deja.com- wrote:

- In article <814jed$d7@nnrp1.deja.com-, - posandrew <posand@my-deja.com- wrote:

- - Many people constantly ask, "Is this MLM good or is that MLM good? Is - - this pay system better than the other?" When the real question that - - should be asked is, "Is Multi-Level Marketing a viable business model - - for making money?"

- - Many times, people get confused as to who actually makes the money in - - an MLM. MLM companies will tell you they've made an X amount of - - dollars or they've been around for so long. So what? What matters is - - how much money *you* are going to make. The corporation that runs the - - MLM *always* makes money. Whereas the reps generally lose money.

- - Here's a page with statistics on various MLMs. (Notice it's a pro-MLM - - site) - -

- - Just take the sales figures and divide by the number of reps and - you'll - - have the average gross dollar amount each rep brings in to the company - - every year. After expenses to the company, the leftover to the rep. - - won't amount to much. This applies to any MLM company.

- - It's an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on the - - bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. The - - corporation is at the "top" so they always win. As far as the MLM - - corporation is concerned, the reps beneath the MLM company are used as - - customers of the MLM. Think of it as customers bringing in more - - customers. You aren't making money, you're spending it.

- - Here's a link to an excellent site which explains how MLMs work in - - general. If you're wondering why it doesn't list specific MLMs, then - - read their FAQ section.

- - -What's Wrong With MLM

- - If you want to make lots of money in an MLM, throw out your ethics & - - morality (you don't need them in an MLM) and start your own MLM.

- - scam slayer posandrew

- It's not an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on - the bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. - You're assuming that all purchases are internal and no retail sales are - being made. You are also including product/service consumption as a - business expense and a factor in "profit" determination. There are a - number of MLM businesses where people can make substantial amounts of - money retailing products without having to sponsor another person into - the business.

- I haven't seen this link before: - I'm glad to see the average for my company to be one of the best (I - didn't do the calculations for all of them). $160,000,000 in sales and - only 37,000 reps equals an average of $4,200 per rep. Amway is only - $1,400 per rep.

- Glen Hi Glen!

I posted this information about PPL on another thread; the point I made there was that the average monthly income for PPL is about $350 month and the largest expense would be the cable TV bill. As part-time income, I think this is valid, and especially when compared with most of the others (Nutrition for life grossed at what, $19/month/rep and Amway at about $117/month/rep and we KNOW what tools & product expenses Amway uplines ask their downlines to incur!).

Anyway, I do agree with posandrew that MLM opportunities ought to be researched very carefully. Overall company sales or the mythical "someone in my upline makes gonzo dollars" seems to be what is mainly given as the sum total of how "successful" any individual distributor may be, and of course it has no real bearing.

If you're considering MLM, ask two questions:

1) - What are your start-up and on-going monthly costs? 2) - Is the product competitive to attract non-rep customers?

There are many MORE questions, of course, but answering these two honestly will at least give you a sound business basis for the rest.

La belle et hŽretique Veronique

-- What I'll give you since you asked is all our time together, Take the rugged sunny days, the warm and rocky weather Take the time that I have walked alone,

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In article <819d74$g1@nnrp1.deja.com-, Veronique <veroniqueuni@yahoo.com- wrote:

- In article <8190ig$7s@nnrp1.deja.com-, - Glen Palo <glenp@my-deja.com- wrote: - - It's not an inescapable fact that the vast majority of the people on - - the bottom 95% *must* lose money in order for the top people to gain. You're assuming that all purchases are internal and no retail sales are being made. You are also including product/service consumption as a business expense and a factor in "profit" determination. There are a number of MLM businesses where people can make substantial amounts of money retailing products without having to sponsor another person into the business.

- - I haven't seen this link before:

- - I'm glad to see the average for my company to be one of the best (I - - didn't do the calculations for all of them). $160,000,000 in sales - and - - only 37,000 reps equals an average of $4,200 per rep. Amway is only - - $1,400 per rep.

- - Glen

- Hi Glen!

- I posted this information about PPL on another thread; the point I made - there was that the average monthly income for PPL is about $350 month - and the largest expense would be the cable TV bill. As part-time income, - I think this is valid, and especially when compared with most of the - others (Nutrition for life grossed at what, $19/month/rep and Amway at - about $117/month/rep and we KNOW what tools & product expenses Amway - uplines ask their downlines to incur!).

- Anyway, I do agree with posandrew that MLM opportunities ought to be - researched very carefully. Overall company sales or the mythical - "someone in my upline makes gonzo dollars" seems to be what is mainly - given as the sum total of how "successful" any individual distributor - may be, and of course it has no real bearing.

- If you're considering MLM, ask two questions:

- 1) - What are your start-up and on-going monthly costs? - 2) - Is the product competitive to attract non-rep customers?

- There are many MORE questions, of course, but answering these two - honestly will at least give you a sound business basis for the rest.

- La belle et hŽretique Veronique Hi Veronique,

Your mentioning of the cable TV I believe is in reference to the Success Channel broadcast on Primestar (now DirectTV) satellite system. Subscribing to Primestar for the Success Channel is optional.

I totally agree that people should do their research to the point that they should write a business plan. When asking about on-going monthly costs, it should be done in context to an individual's goals and business building strategies. Until prospective business owners decide how they want to build their business, it is difficult to estimate what their monthly business expenses will be. I believe this is where the business plan is essential. One thing that has always amazed me is that no one has ever asked the person making a gazillion dollars what his business expenses are. I have seen reference to average Amway distributor expenses of $3800 and an average gross income of $1000+. If an Amway distributor increases marketing expenses to $10,000 how high does the gross income amount go?

I'll get on my soapbox (SA-8): New Amway/Quixtar Independent Business Owners "buying" into an AMO system should understand what the business tools system is. The books, tapes and functions are designed for the new IBO's self-improvement. The premise is that they are not ready for success; otherwise they would already be millionaires and not need Amway/Quixtar to achieve their dreams. The bottom line is that the cost of "system" tools does not directly or immediately improve the IBO's revenue data as would $3000 worth of marketing/advertising. Now I'll get off the soapbox and back to the business plan.

The prospective IBO should make a decision regarding how much to spend on self-improvement and how much on income producing activities like marketing/advertising. If attending all the functions and related travel expenses are in the budget, fine. If not, then don't go.

Glen -- Timing is Everything! "#13 best small company in America." --Forbes Magazine Nov 1, 1999 Just ask me.

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